Date: Wed, 26 Jan 94 18:59:32 PST From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #78 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Wed, 26 Jan 94 Volume 94 : Issue 78 Today's Topics: Advanced Computer Controls info Advanced Computer Controls question FCC Daily Digest - 1994-01-24 FCC RF Spectrum Allocation? Ham shop in Burlington, VT?? LA Comms MFJ's 20m SSB Travel Radio: No RIT?! Tektronix O'Scope for Sale Send Replies or notes for publication to: Send subscription requests to: Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Jan 94 04:28:38 GMT From: ogicse!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!afabro@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Advanced Computer Controls info To: info-hams@ucsd.edu 73, Tony N8RRRB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony P. Fabro :"This is what life is about, working." afabro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu : Gary Burbank Amateur Radio Call N8RRB : Cincinnati Radio Personality ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 1994 19:48:26 GMT From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!afabro@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Advanced Computer Controls question To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Thanks. Tony N8RRB afabro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 05:11:50 GMT From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!psinntp!pixar!bruce@network.ucsd.edu Subject: FCC Daily Digest - 1994-01-24 To: info-hams@ucsd.edu [This is the third consecutive FCC Daily Digest that I have downloaded ] [and published to rec.radio.amateur.misc . Now I'd like to know if anyone ] [is reading them, and if you think they are worthwhile or just a waste of ] [bandwidth. Reply by E-MAIL ONLY, DO NOT POST. Bruce@Pixar.com ] Vol. 13, No. 14 January 24, 1994 ----------------------------------------------------- NEWS RELEASE ----------------------------------------------------- FCC FILINGS ----------------------------------------------------- PUBLIC NOTICE ----------------------------------------------------- PUBLIC INFORMATION COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS SUBMITTED TO OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET FOR REVIEW - Contact: Judy Boley at (202) 632-0276 ***************** ADDENDA: The following items released January 21 were not listed on Digest 13: ----------------------------------------------------- NEWS RELEASES ----------------------------------------------------- PIRATE RADIO STATION ABOARD THE MOTOR VESSEL "FURY" SHUT DOWN IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA JAMES W. OLSON NAMED CHIEF OF CABLE SERVICES BUREAU'S COMPETITION DIVISION FCC CALENDAR OF EVENTS FOR THE WEEK OF JANUARY 24 ----------------------------------------------------- PUBLIC NOTICE ----------------------------------------------------- NOTICE OF CHANGE OF RELEASE DATE - The FCC was closed Thursday, January 20, 1994. All items dated and scheduled to be released on January 20 by the FCC's Office of Public Affairs, News Media Division, were actually released on Friday, January 21. ----------------------------------------------------- TEXTS ----------------------------------------------------- ALLNET COMMUNICATIONS SERVICES, INC. V. CENTRAL TELEPHONE COMPANY OF OHIO, AND CENTRAL TELEPHONE COMPANY OF NEVADA. Granted joint motion and dismissed with prejudice Allnet's complaint against Central Telephone- Ohio and Central Telephone-Nevada seeking damages resulting from alleged violations of the Commission's rate of return prescription for the period January 1, 1989 through December 31, 1990. (By Order [DA 94-49] adopted January 11 by the Chief, Formal Complaints and Investigations Branch, Common Carrier Bureau) COMSAT CORPORATION. Authorized Comsat to participate in a program involving construction of certain additional INTELSAT satellites, and provisions of authorized services. (By MOO&A [DA 94-37] adopted January 7 by the Acting Chief, Common Carrier Bureau) INTERNATIONAL TELECHARGE, INC. (ITI)V. PACIFIC TELESIS GROUP. Granted joint motion and dismissed with prejudice ITI's complaint against Pacific Telesis seeking to recover damages from alleged violations of the Commission's rules in connection with Pacific's computation and assessment of terminating carrier common line charges. (By Order [DA 94-47] adopted January 10 by the Chief, Formal Complaints and Investigations) AT&T COMMUNICATIONS. Denied Tel-Save Inc.'s petition to reject, or to suspend and investigate, AT&T's Tariff FCC No. 12, Transmittal No. 6162, introducing SelectCall, an AT&T long distance service that permits customers to receive direct dialed calls originated over AT&T network from subscriber-authorized telephone numbers and have those calls automatically reverse- billed to the customer without the assistance of a company operator. (By Order [DA 94-66] adopted January 21 by the Chief, Tariff Division, Common Carrier Bureau) ONCOR COMMUNICATIONS, INC. V. PACIFIC TELESIS GROUP. Granted joint motion and dismissed with prejudice Oncor's complaint against Pacific Telesis relating to primary interexchange carrier freeze practices. (By Order [DA 94-50] adopted January 11 by the Chief, Formal Complaints and Investigations Branch) LIGHTCOM INTERNATIONAL, INC. Authorized Lightcom to establish channels of communication between the U.S. and INTELSAT Atlantic and Pacific Ocean Region satellites for the provision of INTELSAT business service and to provide international private line service. (By O&A [DA 94-51] adopted January 4 by the Chief, International Facilities Division) WILTEL, INC. V. THE AMERITECH OPERATING COMPANIES, ET AL. Granted joint motion and dismissed as moot WilTel's complaint against Ameritech, et al, seeking damages resulting from alleged violations of the Commission's rate of return prescription for the period January 1, 1989 through December 31, 1990. (By Order [DA 94-45] adopted January 11 by the Chief, Formal Complaints and Investigations Branch) R & R COMMUNICATIONS, INC. Ordered R & R to forfeit $2,000 for willful violation of the Communications Act and the Commission's rules by marketing an amateur radio transceiver that had been modified to operate on non- amateur frequencies. (By Order [DA 94-40] adopted January 7 by the Chief, Field Operations Bureau) January 24, 1994 FCC FILINGS The following is a list of filings of more than routine interest received at the Commission on dates shown and AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION for one week in the Office of Public Affairs, Room 200: January 13 Amendment of the Commission's Rules to Establish New Personal Communications Services (Gen. Docket 90-314). Reply - Comsat Corporation; Northern Telecom Inc.; Ameritech; ROLM Company; National Rural Telecom Association; Association of Public-Safety Communications Officials-International, Inc.; Comcast Corporation; Association of Independent Designated Entities; GTE Service Corporation; Motorola Inc.; Secretary of Defense/National Communications System; National Emergency Number Association; Rand McNally; Association for Maximum Service Television, Inc.; Encompass; Federal Communications Bar Association; Wireless Information Networks Forum; PCS Action, Inc.; American Wireless Communication Corporation; Office of the Attorney General/State of Texas; TRW Inc.; Telocator; General Communication, Inc.; Ericsson Corporation; PMN, Inc.; Cellular Telecommunications Industry Association; Fixed Point-to-Point Communications Section of the Network Equipment Division of the Telecommunications Industry Association; McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc.; American Petroleum Institute; NYNEX Corporation; MCI Telecommunications Corporation; Apple Computer, Inc.; Loral Qualcomm Satellite Services; Nextel Communications, Inc.; Southwestern Bell Corporation; Radiofone Inc. Amendment of the Commission's Rules to Provide Additional Frequencies for Cordless Phones (ET Docket 93-235). Reply - Forest Industries Telecommunications In the Matter of Policies and Rules Concerning Toll Fraud (CC Docket 93-292). Comments - Association of College and University Telecommunications Administrators, Inc.; Flex Communications ; XIOX Corporation; January 14 Amendment of the Commission's Rules to Establish a Permanent Replacement for the Current Method of Funding the Universal Fund and Adopt a Temporary Revenue Based Method for Allocating USF Costs Among Interexchange Carriers (RM-8408). Comments - Organization for the Protection and Advancement of Small Telephone (over) -2- Companies; City of Faith, SD; Siskiyou Telephone; Ameritech; U S West Communications; St. Joseph Telephone and Telegraph Company; National Telephone Association; Southwestern Bell Telephone Company; Cathey, Hutton and Associates, Inc.; Opposition - Sprint Communications Amendment of the Commission's Rules and Establishment of a Joint Board (CC Docket 80-286). Comments - National Rural Telecom Association; Pacific Bell and Nevada Bell Amendment of the Commission's Rules to Implement a Vanity Call Sign System of Choice in the Amateur Service (PR Docket 93-305). Comments - Don Daso, WZ3Q In the Matter of Policies and Rules Concerning Toll Fraud (CC Docket 93-292). Comments - Bell Atlantic; U S West Communications, Inc.; MCI Telecommunications Corporation; International Communications Association; Interexchange Carrier Industry Committee Toll Fraud Subcommittee; GTE Service Corporation; TeleDesign Management, Inc.; Vanguard Cellular Systems, Inc.; National Telephone Cooperative Association; McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc.; Cellular Telecommunications Industry Association; BellSouth Telecommunications, Inc.; Pacific Bell and Nevada Bell; American Telephone and Telegraph Company; National Cellular Resellers Association; United Fire and Casualty Company/United Life Insurance Company; Competitive Telecommunications Association; State of South Carolina Office of Information Resources; Quantum Logic, Inc.; Florida Public Service Commission; USL Capital; Arizona Payphone Association and Nevada Payphone Association; Leucadia National Corporation; Puerto Rico Telephone Company and the Puerto Rico Communications Corporation; Rochester Telephone Corporation; Florida Pay Telephone Association, Inc.; LinkUSA; Ericsson Corporation; U.S. Intelco Networks, Inc.; Southwestern Bell Corporation; Metro-North Commuter Railroad; Hewlett-Packard Company; Utilities Telecommunications Council; Ameritech Corporation; Ad Hoc Telecommunications Users Committee; Communications Managers Association, et al.; Planned Parenthood of New York City; Reynolds and Reynolds; United States Telephone Association; Independent Payphone Association of New York, Inc.; American Petroleum Institute; Aeronautical Radio, Inc.; Sprint Corporation; NYNEX Corporation January 18 Amendment of the commission's Rules to Establish a Permanent Replacement for the Current Method of Funding the Universal Fund and Adopt a Temporary Revenue Based Method for Allocating USF Costs Among Interexchange Carriers (RM-8408). Comments - Kerrville Telephone Company Amendment of the Commission's Rules to Establish New Personal Communications Service (Gen. Docket 90-314). Reply - Telephone and Data Systems, Inc. In the Matter of Policies and Rules Concerning Operator Service Access and Pay Telephone Compensation (CC Docket 91-35). Reply - American Public Communications Council (over) -3- In the Matter of Policies and Rules Concerning Toll Fraud (CC Docket 93-292). Comments - North American Telecommunications Association; American Public Communications Council; Prince; Holyoke Mutual Insurance Company in Salem; Bechtel Power Corporation; CamBar; Southeast Alaska Regional Health Corporation; Iowa Farm Bureau Federation; Universal Gym Equipment, Inc.; News Journal Company; King County Fire Protection District No. 39; Liberty Financial; Colgate- Palmolive Company; Charles River Laboratories; Washington Education Association; Albany International In the Matter of Simplification of the Depreciation Prescription Process (CC Docket 92-296). Opposition - National Association of Regulatory Utility Commissioners Amendment of the Commission's Rules to Implement a Vanity Call Sign System of Choice in the Amateur Service (PR Docket 93-305). Comments - Kenneth Widelitz, AB6FO -FCC- January 24, 1994 FCC FILINGS The following is a list of filings of more than routine interest received at the Commission on dates shown and AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION for one week in the Office of Public Affairs, Room 200: January 13 Amendment of the Commission's Rules to Establish New Personal Communications Services (Gen. Docket 90-314). Reply - Comsat Corporation; Northern Telecom Inc.; Ameritech; ROLM Company; National Rural Telecom Association; Association of Public-Safety Communications Officials-International, Inc.; Comcast Corporation; Association of Independent Designated Entities; GTE Service Corporation; Motorola Inc.; Secretary of Defense/National Communications System; National Emergency Number Association; Rand McNally; Association for Maximum Service Television, Inc.; Encompass; Federal Communications Bar Association; Wireless Information Networks Forum; PCS Action, Inc.; American Wireless Communication Corporation; Office of the Attorney General/State of Texas; TRW Inc.; Telocator; General Communication, Inc.; Ericsson Corporation; PMN, Inc.; Cellular Telecommunications Industry Association; Fixed Point-to-Point Communications Section of the Network Equipment Division of the Telecommunications Industry Association; McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc.; American Petroleum Institute; NYNEX Corporation; MCI Telecommunications Corporation; Apple Computer, Inc.; Loral Qualcomm Satellite Services; Nextel Communications, Inc.; Southwestern Bell Corporation; Radiofone Inc. Amendment of the Commission's Rules to Provide Additional Frequencies for Cordless Phones (ET Docket 93-235). Reply - Forest Industries Telecommunications In the Matter of Policies and Rules Concerning Toll Fraud (CC Docket 93-292). Comments - Association of College and University Telecommunications Administrators, Inc.; Flex Communications ; XIOX Corporation; January 14 Amendment of the Commission's Rules to Establish a Permanent Replacement for the Current Method of Funding the Universal Fund and Adopt a Temporary Revenue Based Method for Allocating USF Costs Among Interexchange Carriers (RM-8408). Comments - Organization for the Protection and Advancement of Small Telephone (over) -2- Companies; City of Faith, SD; Siskiyou Telephone; Ameritech; U S West Communications; St. Joseph Telephone and Telegraph Company; National Telephone Association; Southwestern Bell Telephone Company; Cathey, Hutton and Associates, Inc.; Opposition - Sprint Communications Amendment of the Commission's Rules and Establishment of a Joint Board (CC Docket 80-286). Comments - National Rural Telecom Association; Pacific Bell and Nevada Bell Amendment of the Commission's Rules to Implement a Vanity Call Sign System of Choice in the Amateur Service (PR Docket 93-305). Comments - Don Daso, WZ3Q In the Matter of Policies and Rules Concerning Toll Fraud (CC Docket 93-292). Comments - Bell Atlantic; U S West Communications, Inc.; MCI Telecommunications Corporation; International Communications Association; Interexchange Carrier Industry Committee Toll Fraud Subcommittee; GTE Service Corporation; TeleDesign Management, Inc.; Vanguard Cellular Systems, Inc.; National Telephone Cooperative Association; McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc.; Cellular Telecommunications Industry Association; BellSouth Telecommunications, Inc.; Pacific Bell and Nevada Bell; American Telephone and Telegraph Company; National Cellular Resellers Association; United Fire and Casualty Company/United Life Insurance Company; Competitive Telecommunications Association; State of South Carolina Office of Information Resources; Quantum Logic, Inc.; Florida Public Service Commission; USL Capital; Arizona Payphone Association and Nevada Payphone Association; Leucadia National Corporation; Puerto Rico Telephone Company and the Puerto Rico Communications Corporation; Rochester Telephone Corporation; Florida Pay Telephone Association, Inc.; LinkUSA; Ericsson Corporation; U.S. Intelco Networks, Inc.; Southwestern Bell Corporation; Metro-North Commuter Railroad; Hewlett-Packard Company; Utilities Telecommunications Council; Ameritech Corporation; Ad Hoc Telecommunications Users Committee; Communications Managers Association, et al.; Planned Parenthood of New York City; Reynolds and Reynolds; United States Telephone Association; Independent Payphone Association of New York, Inc.; American Petroleum Institute; Aeronautical Radio, Inc.; Sprint Corporation; NYNEX Corporation January 18 Amendment of the commission's Rules to Establish a Permanent Replacement for the Current Method of Funding the Universal Fund and Adopt a Temporary Revenue Based Method for Allocating USF Costs Among Interexchange Carriers (RM-8408). Comments - Kerrville Telephone Company Amendment of the Commission's Rules to Establish New Personal Communications Service (Gen. Docket 90-314). Reply - Telephone and Data Systems, Inc. In the Matter of Policies and Rules Concerning Operator Service Access and Pay Telephone Compensation (CC Docket 91-35). Reply - American Public Communications Council (over) -3- In the Matter of Policies and Rules Concerning Toll Fraud (CC Docket 93-292). Comments - North American Telecommunications Association; American Public Communications Council; Prince; Holyoke Mutual Insurance Company in Salem; Bechtel Power Corporation; CamBar; Southeast Alaska Regional Health Corporation; Iowa Farm Bureau Federation; Universal Gym Equipment, Inc.; News Journal Company; King County Fire Protection District No. 39; Liberty Financial; Colgate- Palmolive Company; Charles River Laboratories; Washington Education Association; Albany International In the Matter of Simplification of the Depreciation Prescription Process (CC Docket 92-296). Opposition - National Association of Regulatory Utility Commissioners Amendment of the Commission's Rules to Implement a Vanity Call Sign System of Choice in the Amateur Service (PR Docket 93-305). Comments - Kenneth Widelitz, AB6FO -FCC- -- -- Bruce Perens AB6YM Bruce@Pixar.com 510-215-3502 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 07:02:04 GMT From: nic.hookup.net!news.kei.com!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!newncar!csn!boulder!cnsnews!rintintin.Colorado.EDU!gasper@tcgould.tn.cornell Subject: FCC RF Spectrum Allocation? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Hi Everybody, Does anybody out there have any idea where I can find the current FCC RF Spectrum Allocation? I've tried doing searches in archie, gopher and wais with all kinds of keywords. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated! Thanks! :-) =========================================================================== | Robert E. Gasper | Education is the vehicle by which we grow, | | ITP Graduate Student | and life is the vehicle by which we are | | gasper@ucsu.colorado.edu | educated. Keep on learning! | =========================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 94 20:38:33 GMT From: emba-news.uvm.edu!wetzel@uunet.uu.net Subject: Ham shop in Burlington, VT?? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Can anyone tell me of a Ham radio shop selling ARRL books or other repeater maps and eventually 2M handhelds in the Burlington, VT area. I have seen adds in 73 but shipping of $5 for a $6 book seems excessive. Thanks Dan Wetzel ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 94 06:21:07 GMT From: ogicse!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!othello.ucdavis.edu!ez006683@network.ucsd.edu Subject: LA Comms To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Chris Thomas (CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU) wrote: : While I understand your (theoretical) point, as a matter of fact : several of our employees had *much better* luck with their cell : phones than with their home phones in reaching us in the first 24 : hrs following the quake. One of our managers was able to stay in : touch *only* via her cell phone - she had no trouble getting a dial : tone on the cell system, while her home phone had a several minute Do you work for the University? If so why do UCLA employees need cell-phones? No wonder my reg fees are going up another $600 next year! Gotta keep our secretaries and ticket writers in BMW's this is So. Cal. after all! : wait for a dial tone, and then usually got an "all circuits busy" : msg after dialing. Funny, I've owned cell=phones in the past and I never heard a dial tone! (on the cell phone anyway :-)) : -- 73 de Chris Thomas, AA6SQ (ex-WA6HTJ) (CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)I Hope I'm wrong and we don't really pay the staff that much. 73, Dan -- *---------------------------------------------------------------------* * Daniel D. Todd Packet: KC6UUD@KE6LW.#nocal.ca.usa * * Internet: ddtodd@ucdavis.edu * * Snail Mail: 1750 Hanover #102 * * Davis CA 95616 * *---------------------------------------------------------------------* * I do not speak for the University of California.... * * and it sure as hell doesn't speak for me!! * *---------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 14:14:50 GMT From: netcomsv!netcom.com!greg@decwrl.dec.com Subject: MFJ's 20m SSB Travel Radio: No RIT?! To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <2i0ra6$2na@clarknet.clark.net> andy@clark.net (Andrew M. Cohn) writes: > >But, where's the RIT?? How can you work SSB/CW without an RIT? Learn how to tune? > Am I missing >something here? No RIT control is visible in the photo, nor is there mention >of one. Even their QRP CW rigs have an RIT, and so does every other QRP kit >on the market. A lot of operators lived without RIT. Many of the 'boat anchors' didn't have RIT. The most recent rig not to have it was, I guess, the Heath HW- series. After all, if ONE station has RIT, that's more than enough. Greg ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 94 00:18:09 GMT From: ogicse!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!gsusgi1.gsu.edu!gsusgi1.gsu.edu!exejecx@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Tektronix O'Scope for Sale To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I have (1) Tektronix Model 2215 60MHZ Dual Trace O'Scope in excellent condition. With front cover and 2 probes. Make offer. Contact Jim Carroll 1-404-978-2760 exejecx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 1994 09:49:14 -0500 From: newshub.nosc.mil!crash!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!news.clark.net!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <60.668.5285.0N191767@canrem.com>, , <2i53kj$56k@helios.intranet.gr>r-mail Subject : Re: Illegal Activities of Dominique Cormann (Re: CB/HAM equipment) In article <2i53kj$56k@helios.intranet.gr>, Demetre Koumanakos wrote: >>The reason I am selling this, is that I am getting my HAM license soon, and >>am starting to look for a 2 meter radio. I will also trade the above setup, >>for a good 2 meter setup, make me an offer. > >Not if I can help it. I will use any influence I have left as the Former >Public Service Director of the Northern Alberta Radio Club, and any avenues >of information transfer, such as the Packet Radio system, to ensure that people >of your kind are carefully scrutinized. This will not prevent you receiving >your ticket, but it may make you very uncomfortable when your past catches up >with you. > >I was shocked from this message !! I always thought that Amateur Radio >was created and is still popular due to it's promotion of friendship !! >So what if the man was a "pirate", what matters *now* is the fact that >he is going straight !!! If he seems to be sincere about his "turn around" >he should be given the chance to do so !!! >Every possible effort must be made to reform the radio pirates with the >real *amateur" way, not with threats and vengence like you have done !! If he was in this country, and the FCC caught him, he would get in very serious trouble. If we allow this sort of thing to thing to persist, we'll have a service that will be unusable. How do we know this person will stay straight, we don't. Matt Roberts n3gzm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 94 20:02:36 +1000 From: olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!merlin!mel.dit.csiro.au!its.csiro.au!dmssyd.@ To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References , <2hfek9$a5@orion.cc.andrews.edu>, onas Subject : Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon In bigsteve@dorsai.dorsai.org (Steve Coletti) writes: >According to legend, there was a light on top of the great pyramid that >burned for 600 years. Egyptologist found a small room with copper troughs >in it that were lined with lead, and two wires that lead up to, where? >When you think about it, a wet cell is a simple idea. It is conceiveable >that some high priest of a once acient religion discoverd electricity and >the knowledge was kept as a secret. And created a battery with a shelf-life of >600 years? I sure could use one of those! -- ******* Please note new address ---- ******** Mark Cheeseman cheese@active.asstdc.com.au Fido: 3:712/412.0 [+61 2 399 9268] PO Box 199 Alexandria NSW 2015 Ph +61 2 353 0143 Fax +61 2 353 0720 ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V94 #78 ****************************** ******************************